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&lt;p&gt;Subject: Strict Browser restrictions&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hi, I'm a customer of yours, and a GNU/Linux user who gets frequently
frustrated by your browser detection.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Basically, the problem is that very few web browsers have been
certified with your website. Now, I have no real issue with that,
nobody has enough time to try &lt;em&gt;every&lt;/em&gt; web browser in the world, and
adjust their websites to fit around every browser's bugs. &lt;em&gt;But&lt;/em&gt; that
doesn't mean it's acceptable to reject your users with a message like
"The Internet browser you are using is not supported by online banking.
Use the link below to see the complete list of browsers we support."&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Firstly, the browsers I use &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; listed as being supported on your
list &lt;a href="https://www.natwest.com/personal/day-to-day/online-banking/g1/faqs.ashx"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.natwest.com/personal/day-to-day/online-banking/g1/faqs.ashx"&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;On this laptop, I use a Firefox 3.0 beta. Firefox 3.0 is listed is
 being supported, and it works (if I tweak it to identify it as
 Firefox 2.0, then I can use the site just fine).&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;On my desktops, I use Iceweasel 2.x. Iceweasel is Firefox with a
 different name, to get around trademark issues. Ask your
 Linux-techies, they should know about it. Again, it works as
 expected.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Secondly, &lt;a href="https://www.natwest.com/personal/day-to-day/online-banking/g1/faqs.ashx"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.natwest.com/personal/day-to-day/online-banking/g1/faqs.ashx"&gt;1&lt;/a&gt; states: "Netscape, Mozilla and Firefox users with other
operating systems such as Linux may also be able to access the
service." How are we supposed to access the service if you deny us
access?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More generally, locking out unknown browsers goes completely against
your policy of Accessibility &lt;a href="https://www.natwest.com/popup/global/access.ashx"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.natwest.com/popup/global/access.ashx"&gt;2&lt;/a&gt;. While the WAI &lt;a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/"&gt;3&lt;/a&gt; doesn't
specifically recommend against turning away unknown browsers, I think
you'll find that's because the authors didn't even &lt;em&gt;dream&lt;/em&gt; of
&lt;em&gt;considering&lt;/em&gt; such a thing. The &lt;em&gt;entire point&lt;/em&gt; of WAI, is to make your
site as portable as possible, and to work for everyone with a far
wider variety of user agents than you could ever test with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don't know how you can call yourself WAI-compliant and reject
un-"certified" browsers. Your webmasters should hang their heads in
shame.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, I don't intend to rant any more than that, because that's the
only problem I have with your site (and your service). Beyond this
little niggle (which stops me being able to bank, without configuring
my browser to lie) I'm very impressed with your services.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please sort this out, it'll turn me back into a happy customer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;SR&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PS: I'd have sent this by e-mail, where I'd, but you don't provide any
   e-mail contact details on your site.
PPS: Only providing a small feedback form doesn't help users give you
    real feedback, it just intimidates and irritates them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;--&lt;br&gt;
Stefano Rivera&lt;br&gt;
 http://rivera.za.net/&lt;br&gt;
 H: +27 21 794 7937   C: +27 72 419 8559&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, that was rather harsh to them, but this has been irritating me for ages. Then, when I did decide to &lt;em&gt;do something&lt;/em&gt; about it, I was rather worked up, and ranted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I got a call back from NatWest this morning, and was basically told that they aren't going to change anything. I can understand their position, but I don't that they were seeing mine. (Oh, and I think they are wrong.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reasons I was given for this non-approved lockout are:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Support. But of course, if your web site is decent, then you shouldn't have any support issues. (OK, that's rather utopic, but the kind of people who use alternative browsers will be OK in such situations).&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Security. Apparently Opera caches previously visited pages as they were. Clicking back doesn't revalidate with the server, and so someone who's logged out of their Internet banking and gone on to google still has their private data visible in the history. Anyone coming up to their computer can go back to it.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, I don't think point 2 is NatWest's problem. If Opera doesn't support revalidation, then Opera must fix it. If Opera do, and NatWest doesn't send the correct Pragma headers, then it's NatWest's problem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But still, that doesn't mean you lock-out untested browers, dammit. &lt;em&gt;Especially&lt;/em&gt; if you call yourself WAI-compliant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I'd love to see some feedback from a WAI board member on this type of issue. I don't think the WAI specs address it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, and everyone, please stand up for your right to browse the web however you see fit. If more people did so, these kind of issues would crop up less often.&lt;/p&gt;</description><category>banking</category><category>natwest</category><category>rant</category><guid>http://tumbleweed.org.za/2008/05/28/natwest-letter</guid><pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:27:30 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>